No Sanity Required
No Sanity Required is a weekly podcast hosted by Brody Holloway and Snowbird Outfitters. Each week, we engage culture and personal stories with a Gospel-driven perspective. Our mission is to equip the Church to pierce the darkness with the light of Christ by sharing the vision, ideas, and passions God has used to carry us through 26 years of student ministry. Find more content at swoutfitters.com.
No Sanity Required
Her Loss is Great, But God is Greater | No Sanity Story
Before Snowbird had cabins or kitchens, it had creek showers, porta potties, and a small group of people committed to building something that would last. Anne (Tully) Tuttle was one of them. A quiet new believer who first came as a student, she eventually joined the staff—shaped not by hype, but by Scripture, discipleship, and people who showed up.
In this episode, Anne shares what those early summers were really like. She also reflects on the 2007 accident that changed everything for the Snowbird team—and how grief, community, and worship shaped her in the years that followed.
Tune in to hear her wild No Sanity story.
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SPEAKER_01:So let's talk about what was your first. Okay, our our first summer. So my buddy Rob brought some students up in the summer 97. We had a camp out. I wasn't even here for the whole week. They just came up and stayed on the property. I was still at the other camp, came here, then moved after that summer. Summer of 98, we ran one week of camp. We ran an ad. I've told I tell the story in the book, and it's hilarious. And we we got David Thompson convinced to bring a group from Centergrove. Our lead pastor at Red Oak, Joseph Tucker, was from that church.
SPEAKER_03:Oh, okay. Was he in that group?
SPEAKER_01:He wasn't in that group, he's too young. But he, because Joseph was probably like sixth grade then.
SPEAKER_03:Okay.
SPEAKER_01:But that's how old we are now. But and he didn't grow up in that youth group. He grew up at Calvary Baptist across town from there and then became the youth pastor at Center Grove. Okay. So when he came to us, he was a youth pastor at Centergrove. That was the first church that ever came for a week of camp. But then the next summer '99, we ran like six weeks of camp, had a few groups come, and then in summer of 2000, we ran a full summer. It was like eight weeks, a hundred kids a week or something, and you came to camp.
SPEAKER_02:I did. Yeah, it was interesting because Joe Strange was the was my youth pastor then with first Baptist. Shout out to Joe Strange of Islands in Savannah. And it was it was interesting because he was the new youth pastor. I was new to the faith. So I got saved at the Baptist church by happenstance. The Lord just led me there to hear a testimony of a young man who had accidentally shot himself in the head. He survived. I heard about his story in science class and knew I needed to go listen to his actual story, which then led me to FBC Islands on a Wednesday night to hear his story. Well, that night the Lord moved, that was December 8th of 99. I got saved, um, prayed to receive Christ, and then everything was changed. I got involved deeply in that church. And like I said, Joe was new, and he, I guess he saw the ad. And in some because that's that's what I remember him saying. Like he saw an ad. Before then, they had gone to the beach for their youth group, like summer camp thing.
SPEAKER_01:He already kind of lived at the beach.
SPEAKER_02:Yes. And so he, I remember he made he made the packing list. He was trying to make sure we didn't have a clue where we were going, which really chapped the hides of all the people who wanted to go back to the beach. I didn't care. I was like, I get to go to summer camp. But he's like, pack ski boots and flip-flops or whatever. And so when we pulled up on the campgrounds, I mean, it was bare bones. I mean, there was there was the metal building. Wow. And there was, I mean, there's lots of trees. There's like how many cabins? One or two?
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, there's a couple cabins.
SPEAKER_02:And then there's porta potties.
SPEAKER_01:A few tents.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, porta potties, the outdoor showers back by the wreck um shed.
SPEAKER_01:And even the metal building, I don't know if you'd remember this, but we had just built it right before that summer, and so it didn't have a kitchen in it, no bathrooms. It wasn't framed inside. It was just a building. Yep.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, because yeah, because I think, yeah, because even the upstairs in the metal building wasn't there.
SPEAKER_01:I framed that out the next winter. Yeah. Me and Paul Baxter. Did you do you remember what we ate for food?
SPEAKER_02:Oh, I think we catered. Like there was like Subway or there was a McDonald's and Andrews Inn. Yep.
SPEAKER_01:McDonald's cheeseburgers one day. Subway one day. Uh KFC out there.
SPEAKER_02:Yep, yep, I think so. Was there a barbecue? I don't know. But yeah, I do remember the Subway sandwiches. I don't know.
SPEAKER_01:Be soggy.
SPEAKER_02:I know. So we, you know, we pulled up and everyone was like, We I hate this. You know, like, what are you doing, Joe? Oh, it was. Um, but then it was really awesome because as we were leaving, everyone was telling Joe, if you don't bring us back here next summer, we're coming without you, Joe. Wow. So it was even like in a five-day span. I mean, the whole attitude of everybody had shifted upside down on its head. And I was a brand new believer, pretty shy. I didn't have like deep connections with that youth group by any means. But I remember Jenny, what was her last name? Do you remember?
SPEAKER_01:She was um she's married now. Um, Jenny, she's from Atlanta. She's from close to where you live now.
SPEAKER_02:Oh, she is? Okay.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah. She was from FBC Woodstock. Okay. Jenny Andrews.
SPEAKER_02:Yep. She was awesome. I mean, she just I remember when I left that week, because I went and got some just random t-shirts from the thrift store to bring and which we needed because we got trashed. Oh mud and yeah, oh yeah, just sliding the. I guess on maybe it was Thursdays, it did some like fun relay race thing. It got super dirty. I remember spitting worms, like that was part of it, like into cups or whatever. And I mean the whole campus, I mean, you the obstacle course around the whole campus.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, because there was two cabins and a few tents. So, like now where the snack shack is, that whole below that over there was all woods. It was all wooded.
SPEAKER_02:There was no bridge to go over.
SPEAKER_01:There was a thing called the Eco Challenge back then. It was a big, it was a big adventure race that had been popularized. It was like like it was kind of that was the upstart of the X games. And so there was this race called the Eco Challenge. It was like a 400-mile race where you had to mountain bike, climb, repel, run, ruck, nap, land nav, all this stuff. And it would be like on ESPN, it would show up once a year or Discovery Channel, something like that. So we decided to have the uh like we had our version of the eco challenge, the race around camp. I forget what we called it. I don't remember either. We called it the geco challenge. And it was like this big obstacle course you had to crawl through like oh slop.
SPEAKER_02:Like the food, yes. Oh my goodness. Yes, I mean yes, it was staffing. It was gross. Well, and mind you, we had the outdoor showers as our option, which is pulling water from the creek, you know, sweet little creek water.
SPEAKER_01:Were illegal.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, it was so fun.
SPEAKER_01:It was awesome.
SPEAKER_02:It's crazy. And so I remember like, yeah, so we just like had a had a good old time, and then I remember, but Jenny, Jenny was so kind. I remember leaving and just being totally impacted by her kindness and how intentional she was. I mean, I left when I left camp, I remember writing a letter and like to every person on staff, like a little blurb about like how grateful I was for their involvement in my week, you know, and just hearing the gospel and you running into the metal building, slamming your body into the the the wall.
SPEAKER_01:Yep. Nobody knows about it, but I still have my right elbow. I've got a broken, a chip bone in my elbow from doing it so many times.
SPEAKER_02:Well, and you mean it wasn't like I'm gonna act like I'm gonna hit it. You like throw your whole body into it.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, when I was 20, let's see, so I was like 28, I thought, oh, I'll have this body forever. Nope. Nope. Definitely not.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah. Wait, how big was the staff?
SPEAKER_01:This 20. Okay. 22. Yeah. Staff with 22 people include that's count me and little.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, that is crazy. It was pretty awesome. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:And I think y'all brought like 60 kids. Probably, yeah.
SPEAKER_02:It was a big charter bus.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, and I think there was some other people there. A couple small churches. Yep, I think there were.
SPEAKER_02:Yep, because I have random pictures. When I had film camera, you know, I have pictures of these random people. Yep, yep. That is cool. Yep. That's that looks pretty cool.
SPEAKER_01:It looks so different than it looks now. I mean, we had we were three years old.
SPEAKER_02:Well, even like the walkway, the gravel walkway from where the metal building is down through the woods to go behind the coop. Like that's that's wonderful. That gravel, it used to not be there. It was just straight up ground. And you, it was a ticking time, yeah, ticking time bomb who was gonna bust their tail going up or down. Oh, yeah. And it was just, I mean, for real, there was no graceful way to walk that. Yeah, there's no like because there were no steps going. You had to navigate that hill. And everyone's holding their breath.
SPEAKER_01:We would sit, me and Little would sit at the top of the hill where the coop now sits. We would sit right there and just watch people. If it rained, we just watched people going, either coming to or leaving from supper or lunch, because you'd see one in ten people wipe out.
SPEAKER_03:It's true.
SPEAKER_01:It was so entertaining.
SPEAKER_03:So bunny. That is crazy to think about. No coop. No. No three-man swing, no aerial park.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. I mean, we did repelling. I remember that and um how crazy it was. Because yeah, we had the 15-passenger van. We went to repelling, and then I remember at the light in Murphy at the McDonald's lot.
SPEAKER_01:Yep. That's where I would do it.
SPEAKER_02:And then just like stopping and doing the Chinese fire drill. And like that's hilarious. Remember it being one of those things where it's like, all right, get out. Go, go, go, go, go. We're like, woo, going around, you know. I mean, it's the four-lane.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, and the lights turning green, everybody get back in the van.
SPEAKER_03:15 passenger kids like crawling over.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, we had no such thing as risk management.
SPEAKER_03:No, hilarious. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:That was 90s youth ministry. That was in 2000, but that's 90s youth ministry. Like, there's no liability concerns.
SPEAKER_03:Wait, tell us about mountain surfing. First of all, mountain surfing. Like that alone is so hilarious to me. The simplest, cheapest form of entertainment.
SPEAKER_01:We didn't have any money. We didn't have any wreck.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, they had just going climbing up that hill. And and really, I mean, it was pretty amazing to watch the people go head over heels. Do, do, do, do, do. You know? So you guys would just like climb what? Swofast? And then jump down the well, you're saying start sliding, and then I guess gravity would just take your way to get out of here.
SPEAKER_01:There was a section when you get up to Swofast wasn't there then. Swofast is like uh Swofast is we had a fire on that mountain in 2006, and the Forest Service took a dozer up there and they moved a bunch of dirt. And while they were up there, I was like, Well, you just make us a big flat spot up here. So they just they just cut the top of the mountain and made a big like literally like a house site.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:And all we've done is put some benches and stuff up there, and that kind of became a destination for people to, but you can't hike to it. You got it the last crawling and it's so steep. So back then we would go up and get up on top of that mountain, and then we would just there was one spot we would come off the mountain, and it was like so steep for about 300 yards, 200, 200 yards probably. And you started off in the laurels for people that don't know what that's just a mountain uh tree that grows the low to the ground covered like bush, but it's like real it it creates a real low canopy, so it's like you're in tunnels, and then you would just start inching your way down, but then yeah, gravity would take over, and you would just I mean it would be like sliding off of I mean it was it was like this steep, so it's almost it's not vertical, obviously, but you would lose moment like you would gain momentum, lose control, and we would broken wrists, broken collarbones, broken ankles. Yeah, busted faces, yeah. Yeah, stitches. So we quit doing it after about five years. After about five years, yeah, we did it a long time because we didn't have anything, we didn't have no swing, no zip line. Yeah we go rafting.
SPEAKER_02:I remember mountain boarding um because I remember Brandon Brown would mountain board with his students, and there was always a broken clavicle every every week. Broken clavicles is far for the course.
SPEAKER_01:Yep, so 02 was when we put it in. We put that dirt course in and he ran it. And then I remember at the beginning of the next summer, maybe put it in an 01 at the beginning of 02 or 02 to 03, but we went into the summer and we said, okay, we had too many broken bones last summer. We're in trouble with our insurance. The first broken bone, we got to cancel this wreck. And like week one, day one, a kid comes bombing down the hill on the mountain board. It's like a snowboard with big mud tires, and he hits and we had built these massive jumps. That's on us. That's so cool, though. These massive tabletop jumps, and then kids would just bomb. You know, you get a kid like a boy that's 14, he's like, Oh yeah, and they'd just bomb down the hill and then launch, and just something's getting broke. And like first, second day of camp that year, kid broke his his wrist or his collarbone, and like we're done. So we took Skidsteer and knocked the whole thing down, we're done with Malmort.
SPEAKER_03:That's crazy, though.
SPEAKER_01:It was so crazy. I'm trying to think, and you told a funny story at lunch when we were going to the pool. Yes.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, because it was yeah, the early days, like yeah, the recreation was pretty minimal. It didn't matter, maybe the rafting one day wide open, yep, rafting. Then I think um then obviously the repelling was I think we did. We did y'all have caving? I'm trying to remember.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, uh, it was like some people went, some people didn't. If they wanted to go, we would set it up and take it.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, but um the pool, everyone went to the pool, the Andrews Pool on Thursdays.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, like on yep, Thursday for at the end of Red. Yeah, it's been a couple hours.
SPEAKER_02:And so it was like sweet. We get to go because there's we had porta potties. I was telling them at lunch. I've never been really poop shy, but dirty porta potties. That week, I guess I was, and so we we get to the pool, we're having a great time. I'm like, cool, there's actual like bathrooms, yeah, bathrooms. I can, you know. Um, and so we try to go to the bathroom, but it was time to go. And so I couldn't, I mean it was like we were leaving. I was like, Well, I gotta get this bus. And so I wasn't able to go poop there. And I guess my body was just not cooperating. So I got home and finally I was relaxed enough to go poop. And my mom was like, Don't you ever do that again, Andrew?
SPEAKER_01:Typical, don't you ever typical ninth grade girl move. The um yeah, the pool trips were were funny because people would go down and take showers and use the they're like, Oh, we're going to the pool.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01:I mean, we would go, we would rent the Andrewstown pool a couple times a week. We'd do it on day one and then we do it on Thursdays.
SPEAKER_02:Super fun.
SPEAKER_01:And then go down there and rent it for like two hours at the end of the rack. And I would drive the bus. I didn't have a CDL. I don't even remember if the bus had we had tags.
SPEAKER_03:I know Jeff Gardner's listening cringing right now.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, yeah. Shout out to Jeff Garner. He listens every week. And Jeff is our transportation director who and has doesn't just do a phenomenal job, but has a massive responsibility. You see how many buses, trucks, vans, I mean it's a huge fleet. Most of our stuff's old, so he's constantly turning wrenches, working. Maintenance is a nightmare. He's got Jason Atkins works for him, so he's got a and then an intern, so he's got a crew, and they just stay nonstop. And I'll tell him stories and he's like, oh my god. And Jay uh, I mean, uh, Jeff is like type A, he's like mugs.
SPEAKER_02:Okay.
SPEAKER_01:Like organized spreadsheet, type A personality, everything's got its place. You get in his truck right now, it does not look like the inside of my truck. You know what I mean? Like everything's in his place. And I'll tell him stories, and he's just like, I can't, that's crazy. I can't even imagine.
SPEAKER_02:There's a funny story with the bus when I was on staff. I think it may have been 04 and it could have been 05, but it was early on. And Andrew Gray was driving that when the buses was we were coming back from repelling or no, from rafting, because we went, we went every week. Everybody went every week. And um, I remember we're climbing up the hill. What's the um what's the the um name of the area? Topton? Is it topton?
SPEAKER_01:Coming up into over Topton.
SPEAKER_02:Yes, and so it's like it's I mean, the bus is creeping, crawling up that out of the gorgeous dude. And so Dustin McClure, I don't know how we all got the hype up, but Dustin McClure's like, I bet I can outrun this bus. No, so Andrew Gray is driving it. We're like, all right, dude, do it. So anyway, Andrew opens the door. I mean, it's creeping. Dustin thinks this guy really thought he could outrun this bus. All of a sudden, he hops out the side of the bus and instantly hits the gravel. Snatched his feet. Yes, it did. And we're like, thank God it didn't get run over. You know, like faster than he thought it works. We're like, uh-oh. So he gets back in, but we're like, just making some really foolish but really entertaining decisions.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, and we had no risk management. Oh people like Spencer Davis and Jeff Garner have saved this ministry. If we didn't have Jeff Garner running transportation, if we didn't have Spencer and Madeline running risk management, we literally would have gotten closed down.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, I believe it. I was there as a student and then early on as staff. Wait, so you worked 04? Yes. So I was a student. I was a student in 2000 through 2003. I remember in 03, I would come up as lived in Savannah. I remember Jenna and I, she was one of my um best friends. Um, we would drive up on like different breaks and drive to six and a half hours up from Savannah and come hang out for a day or two. Um, because it means just the impact of the ministry and our time up here. Um, and so then I remember talking to you my senior year. I'd be like, I gotta pray about whether I'm gonna work. And you're like, pray Shmay, you know, just come on. Just come work. Yeah. And so, and um, and so then I did. And so in 2004, I remember driving um the summer. I had a little 1985 Toyota Corolla, sound like a Harley Davidson because the muffler was not on properly. And driving up by myself, and I remember getting to sta it was late when I got here. Later in, I mean it was dark, and I remember seeing Jen Frschetti and Brooke Slaughter Yarborough, like outside of it was a is it Atlanta Street Cabin is one the one. Yeah, they're standing there. I don't know. There was somebody else, maybe it was Bobby Lane, like throwing knives at a tree. And I'm like standing, I'm like, I felt like a fish out of water. It was exactly where the Lord wanted, I mean, it's exactly where I needed to be. But I remember being like kind of shell-shocked, like, oh, because I mean, I was brand new. Those people I think had worked the summer before, or they were at least a year older than me. And um, I'm just I remember crying myself to sleep that night, just being like, what am I doing? But then it, I mean, obviously, then it quickly shifted. I mean, because the intensity of that staff training was just really fantastic and like getting prepped. I mean, I was my first time away from home. I didn't know what the summer you know what would hold. Um, but then I mean, it was incredible. And then I worked the subsequent summers um up until I guess I guess 2011. And then I lived in Andrews from and until like 2000, the beginning of 2015. So I mean Andrews became home. Yeah. So I mean, I went to college, UGA, and then the summers I worked, you know, and I remember it was really really huge to then kind of turn on turn the page to other people and like I need to pray about. I'm like, just come. Just come. Like you're you're gonna be immersed. It's gonna be hard and it's gonna be incredible, and it's gonna be well worth it. And so we don't need to don't need to spiritualize it. Obviously, it's a good thing, and it's okay to receive a good thing. So remember, it was really it's just impactful.
SPEAKER_01:It aligns with this is a good principle um for I think for believers. Um when you're doing something, when you're when you're saying yes to something that perfectly aligns with the commands of scripture, you don't have to pray about it. And I don't want to say that the wrong way. We're always in an attitude of prayer. But to say, do I think God wants me instead of hanging out at the house and practicing couch rod all summer and going to the pool or you know, or or going and working uh and and and making money and and doing the typical summer, like do I think instead of that that God would be in opposition to me going and laboring for the gospel for three months, being discipled, yeah, investing in people, advancing the kingdom, proclaiming the truth of the gospel. Like, you don't have to pray about that. Nope. Pray about it, but you don't have to pray about it to get a yes. It's like just say yes and just go.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:I I I really, and you know this about me, and these guys definitely know this about me. I cannot, I don't like the mindset of, well, let's just see if the Lord opens a door. Look, if he ain't got the door open and you just try to knock the door off the hinges, he won't let you open it. Just be aggressive. That's how you've lived your life. Like, that door is closed right there. I'm gonna go over there. If I turn the knob and it opens, then it's an open door, but it doesn't look open, right?
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, that's right. Uh-huh.
SPEAKER_01:I got I gotta go to work. Yes. If I go over there and it's locked and I put a shoulder in it, I'm like, okay, that door's not open. It is closed and locked. Like, just press your shoulder into what, you know, and and like if it aligns with scripture, just do it.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, absolutely.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, and it it leads to awesome things. It always does. I mean, what's an early ministry? Do you have a memory that stands out from your first or second summer when you as a student or on staff? On staff, where you're like, man, because you talked about Jenny Andrews investing in you. Absolutely. Who I wonder if she listens to this. I don't know. She's amazing.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Um, and she was a she was so there our third summer of existence, third year of existence, she's on staff here. She had come with the first winter group that ever came.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Was a was a group of seniors from her youth group, and we were connected to that church. They came up and they stayed and slept in Marble Springs Baptist Church basement.
SPEAKER_02:Okay.
SPEAKER_01:And then helped us work. They did like a work weekend. And she was in that group, and we would take them over to Andrew's High School and they would use the locker rooms to shower.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:It was the first winter we were here. And that's how I met Ginny. And then she came and worked on staff that summer.
SPEAKER_02:Okay.
SPEAKER_01:The year or two after she graduated. And and uh so I wonder, yeah, so you share that. Do you have one or two memories early on that impacted you? Like, oh, I'm the one invested in this person, or do you remember a student?
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. Well, I mean, there's I there is a student for sure, one of the local girls that I bonded with when we the local girls would come and a couple of us would be assigned to them. And I think that was later on. I think when you're I think like 2004, 2005, I was along for the ride. But I remember, and I remember thinking like Sarah Conti and Carrie, I don't remember her last. They would get up early and go like read scripture in the middle building. I was like, that's really cool. Um, I gotta get some sleep. I'm worn out. But I remember probably my third summer making the decision to get up early and actually start doing some my own Bible study because I didn't grow up in the church. I got saved, had an incredible youth pastor who loves the word of God and who would shoot us straight. And I am so thankful. It I mean, the Lord has given me um a family member in Joe Strange and his family. And so that had that that being poured in in that capacity, and then coming and sitting under the teaching at Snowbird and kind of like how serious and legitimate you guys take, like the study of scripture, the word of God. Again, not like these themes to make you feel good, but like this is what the word of God says. Like, so I was being fed in that way. But it wasn't, I think, until my third summer that I actually start eating for myself, getting up, and those really, I mean, those mornings, the early mornings, walking down the staff hill, and like, you know, you know, the dawn is breaking, and like the this the mountain air, the cool mountain air, and getting up there and starting to read scripture. That then I think for myself that something shifted well, because then I was being, and then I went on my through hike on the AT. And again, it was like I didn't have commentary on the AT, but it was like just starting to read scripture and allowing the Lord to speak to me through his word. Then it shifted the way that I was able to interact with students, you know, and like pointing. It wasn't about like me having all the right answers, but the Lord ministering through me to the students and just being a presence. And I'm just recounting like Jenny Andrews, just being there, just being willing to encourage or to pray or to hear me out. Um, and so though then, but I do remember I there's yeah, the one local girl just and after summers, I saw her several summers, you know, on and just keeping in touch and you know, and and realizing too, like through that whole journey, through my own personal journey, but then even just watching her like I'm not her savior, no one else is my savior, it's Christ with pointing back to Jesus. And so then just thinking, and then I remember, I mean, just remember watching Logan Edwards jump a million times into the creek, you know, and just like you know, just just seeing people come and then the years, everyone coming back, and just because I had a long standing on staff, it was really incredible to get to see the students come back with such enthusiasm and excitement to see us and to be there, um, and to just join in that and you know, that excitement with them for their short period of time and staying up really late and just being like, yeah, pouring it all out, like with the discussions in the cabins after the evening worship service and answering questions. And I don't know, it's just just really the importance of recognizing the opportunity at hand to be present with whomever would let us in. Like it wasn't a matter of like like you were talking about, like we're not forcing anything, but we're here. And it was really incredible to see some of those those girl campers and some of this the you know the chaperones that would come kind of press in and want to be encouraged, ask hard questions, um, just have fun. Um it was a I mean it's a big privilege, a lot of work. Man, I remember just being slapped dead on Saturday afternoons and Sundays. But I I don't know. I I think about it now. I mean as a 40-year-old woman, I'm like, gosh, if I could just go work a summer again, I would just, I mean, I would.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, it's the most rewarding exhaustive.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, yeah. But yeah, as far as like just trying to think.
SPEAKER_01:That's cool. The um the 08 through hock of the AT, if I remember, you started hawking that winter and you came here for staff training.
SPEAKER_02:I did. I started January 26th. I was um really green. I didn't have a clue what I was doing. And I thought that if I I thought I could hike it and get done by the time staff training. I wanted to have my cake and eat it too, right? So um we started hiking and it that wasn't how it was panning out. But I remember talking with you and Joe when I was in Pennsylvania, and then there was the decision of like, you gotta come home. And I was like, I'm not coming home. Um, you gotta come home, at least for staff training. And so I actually was not going to, but the Lord physically intervened on me. I couldn't walk.
SPEAKER_01:Um you literally couldn't walk. I literally could not walk.
SPEAKER_02:Yep, yep. And it, yep. I was uh I told Brody and Joe that I would um I'd be I'd be coming. I hitched a ride from up there down to North Carolina.
SPEAKER_01:And you had a little pistol I gave you.
SPEAKER_02:So then Rachel had it. She had I wasn't carrying it. And then I almost now I look back and I'm like, maybe I should have had it. Um, but then like it was interesting because the morning I had agreed that I was gonna part ways from the AT, I couldn't walk. And the Lord knew this is really, really cool for to me because like I had a pain in my sciatica. Otherwise, I would have just been obstinate and I would have kept hiking northbound and I would have missed out on a lot. Um, but obviously the Lord is bigger than me. And so I had the physical pain. I couldn't, I was like really sad because these two guys I'd been hiking with, I just watched them walk northbound. I'm sitting outside of this uh this grocery store crying. I'm like, oh bye. End up getting a ride. I had to get two rides down to get to North Carolina, and I'm here and I remember um talking with Debbie Gray, and towards the latter part of my two weeks, and she was asking me if I felt like the Lord wanted me to go back to the trail. And I was like, Well, yeah, I mean, I didn't I don't want to the my attitude at that point was I don't want people, people who doubted me, I didn't want them to be right. I wanted to finish this thing. She's like, Well, that's not a good enough reason to go back by yourself. She's like, you need to pray. So I remember I had a flight that was leaving on the Sunday. Friday, so I was here, you know, I'd already been here a week and a half. Uh Friday, I went to Granny's cabin in the woods and by myself, and I just had my Bible, and I got to the cabin because I was like, I'm gonna have some time of solitude and prayer. I get to the cabin, I start sweeping the floor. And I really do feel like the Lord's like, you need to stop busying yourself, you need to sit. So I sat down on the little swing out there and didn't have my journal out. I just sat there and the Lord just reminded me of Joshua 1.9. Like, I've commanded you, be strong and courageous. Like I'm with you. And it was the it was probably, I mean, aside from the spirit moving for to draw me to salvation that night of December 8th of 99, that was the time that's probably the first time I heard the Lord speak to me. It was so clear. The Lord's like, I've commanded you to go. And I didn't know at that point because I was just like gonna finish this thing. I had no visual of the future that I would hike the other two and become a triple crowner. That was not even hiking was hikers were not my ministry population. I was just like, and the Lord's like, go, and so end up going with a with like a confidence from the Lord, not like a resolve from Ann Tully that I was gonna prove people wrong, which is a very different power house to have the Lord back that up. And so I went back to the trail and I was on the trail for 40 days and then I finished. Wow. Um, and it was incredible like to have that encounter with the Lord when I was back here, that that break that I didn't know what it was gonna look like, and I was gonna walk around in opposition to it. But the Lord's like, no, no, no. Like I care for you so much and I know you so well that I'm gonna actually stop you in your tracks. And then he met me in the most tangible way. And I mean, to this day, it's one of my my most cherished experiences with the Lord where I'm like, He does know me. He sees me, he spoke to me, he has given me what I need.
SPEAKER_01:And so I remember I remember the conversation when I said, You need to come home and go through two these two weeks of staff training, even if you don't come work this summer. You'd already been through four strap staff training. So you knew you didn't need the training. You just needed the fellowship and renewal.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:And that was coming. Let's back up a little bit. That's a good spot to hit pause back up. Let's talk about your family dynamic a little bit. And then um, and I definitely want to walk through the events of 2007 that our listeners are familiar with, and the people that have read the book, because uh really there's a big section of the book devoted to that. And but of course it's told from my perspective. Everybody had a perspective. We all had the same perspective and a unique angle on that perspective. And so um, you know, back to when you started in December of '99 when you gave your life to Christ, you had come to First Baptist Church of the Islands, and to this day, Joe is a good brother and friend of mine, and we stay in communication. And uh it's been a while since he's been up here because he's out of student ministry, but that next summer when he brought you um that started this special relationship between you and this ministry and between us and you. And um I told, I think again, before we were filming, I told y'all, and like the first camper I remember really having a long-term relationship with, Little and I having, you know, a long-term impact. Um, I remember some students from Rob Hester's group, like uh Sarah Livingston. Yeah, you know, but that long-term personal impact where she spent so much time here and in our home. And um but part of that was because you did not come from a healthy, happy, holy family.
SPEAKER_02:No.
SPEAKER_01:So just talk a little bit about that family dynamic.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, I um yeah, did not grow up in a church, like I had mentioned before, and the Lord just was like, I'm gonna pick you out of the Myri clay and set your feet on solid rock. Like there's certain scriptures that I'm like, that's I mean, that is my story. I remember right my freshman year. I mean, I've always been like focused on a goal. I was like, I don't want to grow, I don't want to grow up. I don't want to raise a family in the same kind of dynamic where a single parent, mom who had some long-term relationships, but all of them were abusive or just dysfunctional, which was came to the detriment of me and my sister Britney. She's a year and a half younger than I am. And so then just like realizing now, like God has given me different gifts and he has set a path for me. And um, he was God has been so gracious to the to really just help guide me to where it's like it's not about your striving and it's about my work through you. And so just seeing like God directing my path. And so despite my circumstances, um, and so yeah, single parent. Um, and I remember I was telling Brody this at lunch, like at one point, my mom, she was in a just not a really great relationship at in the point that this man, this grown man was in the front yard with my sister. I guess they were gonna fist fight each other. I was working at Sonic and I remember, um, I don't know if my sister or my mom called me. It may have been my sister, but she said basically I just got kicked out. You know, she's like 15, 14 or 15. And I remember calling Kahuna. I mean, I remember calling him. I was in the bathroom at Sonic and it was nighttime. I'm like, my sister just got kicked out. I have no clue what to do. And I, I mean, I could be wrong, but I really do think at that point he's just like, I'm coming. And I I mean, I really think he just came and got her. I don't think there was a delay. I think it was came and got her, no questions asked. And she spent the summer here, which is such a grace, too, because I'm like, I know she's heard the gospel and she lives in opposition to the gospel now, but she's still alive. And I'm like praying with an anticipation that the Lord will, you know, just really move and her her eyes will be the scales will be lifted. But um, and so kind of that support, like that drop the hat, you're worth it, like drop everything, you're worth it. I'm coming after you to be present. And so that was huge. And I didn't grow up in my dad, I didn't meet him, and we were talking about it over at lunch, you know, like I met my dad face to face for the first time there on the snowbird grounds, you know, and and Brody, you were the first person to, I mean, talk to him, you know, and just in kind of realizing too, even even just kind of uh an ownership, a protection of like, I don't know this guy, you don't know this guy, you know. So even just sharing like not, you're just kind of being near in the periphery to make sure everything was fine. And and so yeah, just kind of wanting and needing a family unit, like a place to, a place to belong and a um a space and a group of people to encourage you on and really desire to see the best, um, the best for you in you and all of that. So, anyhow, it was just really Snowbird, definitely the community of people, the staff. Um, that season of my life being met with with this ministry and the Lord just meeting me in that time was monumental. For me, being now like a mom, a wife, and a mom, and a successful citizen of you of my community, like being engaged in the community, it's like it was a great training ground for me. Because in my story, could like I was telling you guys at lunch, my senior quote was, but by the grace of God, I am what I am. And it's and I 100% believe that. Like there, if you all the stories in my life and all the things that have unfolded, it's like by the grace of God, I am what I am, which is a follower of Jesus, you know, and healthy relationships and a hope that is eternal. Because I've walked through a lot of loss, a lot of loss, tragic loss, and yet my heart is not downcast because Christ is alive in me. Praise the Lord. Praise the Lord.
SPEAKER_01:So, yeah, the um there are people that come along in your life in ministry, you know, now that I've been in ministry for three decades.
SPEAKER_02:It's crazy.
SPEAKER_01:A lifetime.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01:A lifetime. And there are people, and and all I ever want to do is be faithful. I have a list, a handwritten list that I'll keep of people that I have broken fellowship with, or they turned away, or you know, they were in this ministry and now they're in the world, or or they got mad at me and and reconciliation hasn't happened. And you know, I'll keep a running list and and I'll pray over that. Yeah. Like, Lord, please one day restore this person or bring reconciliation. Or and I don't I don't add to that list often, uh-huh, but it's when you do this for 30 years, it's crazy how many people you see, you know, turn away. JB has a a really close family member, that's her story, and we've talked about it on here. Um your story is one, the reason it was so important to me, this has been a long time coming to get you here, and it's because you're gonna have people in your life that they're what I call trophies of ministry. So, what I mean by that is if I could take a hand and hand pick a handful of stories to say, boom, and put them on display and say, this is the fruit of faithfulness in ministry, this person's life. This person's life, like their whole life. Not not the decision he made at Snowbird, not the decision she made with her counselor, but like the turned trajectory of a person's life that is now lived. I've been doing this long enough to watch lives either live faithfully or start and turn away. And yours is a is a story. I mean, I tell it a lot. I told your story through my perspective a week ago to somebody, and I ain't seen you in person in a while, you know. So it's it's to me, it's the power of God's favor and faithfulness over the long haul in a person's life that is on display because you've got these moments where like you could just tell the story of your childhood and what you came out of, and that would be a crazy testimony. If you get to December of 99, and God saved me, we could stop there. It's a crazy story.
unknown:It's true.
SPEAKER_01:And then we could go down the rabbit hole, the kid that shot himself in the head, because I remember him. I knew him.
SPEAKER_02:Steven, uh-huh.
SPEAKER_01:You know, and we got some crazy stories with that kid, you know? Yeah. And then uh, but then come back to keep moving forward and then bring Britney into it. Your sister, I remember me and Kahuna talking about okay, when you called them, I remember we sat down and we're like, okay, what are we gonna do? We need to go get her. What's it gonna look like? How do we sort of utilize our time here with her and where do we put her and how do we because she wasn't a believer and she's a broken kid. Yep. And like longevity of ministry, you get to see stories start and and follow through to the end, or at least to see their trajectory. And so I think uh one of the things that so you for for me, you are a ministry trophy. I hope people understand what I mean when I say I don't mean a trophy I earned. You know what I'm saying? I mean a display of God's faithfulness through a ministry. I don't so in my mind they're trophies of ministry, not my trophies. Right. Trophies I get to look at and behold. Look what God's done, you know. Hopefully that makes sense to our listeners. And so yours is one of those stories, and and it's also a sober and reminder. We invested just as intensely into your sister.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, absolutely.
SPEAKER_01:And there's no magic potion or formula to what makes a person follow Jesus. Um and and so when when you came here and the Lord started to use you in leadership, um I I want to, I really do want to talk about 2007. Yeah. Because when when and to for the for people that may be newer listeners or haven't listened through all 300 almost episodes of this or haven't read the book, the no sanity book, in 2007 there was an accident, a an automobile accident, and Dawson Pagett is one of the survivors of that crash. He was here this past weekend at Be Strong. Okay, and has has finally I've I've so just FY I I've had now 18 years of discipleship investment into Dawson. Like okay, I talked to him, we talked like we have a really special relationship, and um I love him dearly, and he has struggled with survivor's guilt at a high level. Um and that's his story that we'll tell. He'll tell when he sits in his chair, but and I think he's close to being ready to sit down and do that. But we were revisiting some of that this past weekend because after the accident, he was in intensive care for three, four weeks. So was Kara, the other survivor. Kara was in intensive care. But that uh when that so people that don't know the story, in 2007 there was an automobile accident, and six of our staff members were in that vehicle. Four of them perished, two of them survived, but with horrible physical damage and then long-term emotional and psychological trauma as survivors. And uh and it was an it was an unavoidable accident. It was a di it was a malfunction, a ball joint in the vehicle, disintegrated, it came apart, the car dropped onto that rotor, the wheel flew off, car dropped onto like like dropped into the pavement and went into a roll. And we were going to speed limit on 575 coming out of Atlanta, and uh it changed this ministry. Like really, I became a different person. We all did, but to that point, the ministry had been serious about the word of God, serious about discipleship, but I was still very adolescent in a lot of the way I viewed the world and life. And you go through that kind of trauma and you change and you grow up, you know. And I mean, and I say that, and it's crazy because I was 35 years old. I wasn't a child, but it changed me drastically.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Um, because I'm calling mamas at three in the morning, waking them up to tell them what's happened. And uh to this day, I sleep with my phone in airplane mode. I I cannot handle a phone ringing in the middle of the night. I wake up freaked out, you know. So um so I like let's walk through. You were on that trip. There were multiple cars. Describe, yeah, describe that week two of camp ended on a Saturday and a bunch of y'all were gonna go have a good time.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, so I was coordinating Atlanta Braves game, you know, like who's gonna stay where? Because a lot of people that were on staff were down, they lived in that area, Marietta, Woodstock, Atlanta area. And so we're all just a bunch of college kids excited to go see a Braves game. I don't mean there's a big haul of people that were like about 50. Yes, it was a lot. And so coordinating who was driving, who was riding with who, who was staying with who, how many tickets, all that. So I was like leading the way. We're having a good old time. And we all go to the Braves game that Saturday, the 9th of June, and watch a game. I don't even know if the Braves won. I don't know. We were just thrilled to be out. You know, it's like, we're on these summer hives, having a good time. And then everyone kind of disbanded again, made sure everyone had a ride and where they were going. People went separate ways. Some people went to local restaurants and ate some food afterwards, which is what my crew did. Um, other people went to people's houses, just went to the houses. Um, and some people may have already driven back to Snowbird. I don't know that evening. Anyhow, um, each car was kind of responsible for what they were doing. And I remember being at the steak and shake. And I some people, I think because some people were headed back um northbound. Um, I remember talking to Wallace. Some people had driven by an accident that happened, and they thought that looked like Kara's car. And we got some phone calls or whatever, and kind of driving slow. And anyway, so speculate there was a little bit of phone kind of speculation happening.
SPEAKER_01:And then um this was like texting. Yeah, texting and flip phones and T9 text.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, yeah. Cause I mean, that's the first year I had texting on my phone, 2007. Yes, with the like push this the same key three times, get the third letter. Um, and so there was some again, it was kind of like just you know, random conversation, kind of speculation. And then at some point while we were there, got a phone call. Because I think I do believe Wallace and Michelle Wilkins, they had stopped. And then they there was confirmation.
SPEAKER_01:So was Carrie Wallace down there?
SPEAKER_02:Yes.
SPEAKER_01:Okay, she's the one that called me initially.
SPEAKER_02:So then it was one of those things where it's like this is it's confirmed that it is Kara's car. And then at that point, we had news that um the passengers were sent to four different places. And so I was sent to Kennestone. Again, I'm not from the area. I was like, we're going. I had we had no clue who was where. And so I got to Kennestone Hospital, and I remember them ushering a handful of us, kind of like it felt like in this back, these back rooms to go, like there was no one around. Um, and I remember walking down. Now I was dear friends with Daniel Branson and his family. Nate and I started working together in 04. His brothers came that summer um because he just loved his brothers.
SPEAKER_01:And he went and he came first, and then his younger brother, Daniel, had come and then later came to work.
SPEAKER_02:Oh, yeah. And then yep. So I remember they his brothers came that summer of 04, and so then I got to know his family more and his his parents, Patty and Elliot. So they they were a dear, they weren't just like people I worked with, they were dear family to me. They still are to this day.
SPEAKER_01:And so And Nate went to be with the Lord last summer.
SPEAKER_02:Yes, he did. I remember praying for Patty and Elliot.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, they've lost two sons.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, um, intense. Um, and so but we ended up at Kennestone. Again, we're getting I'm while we were at Kennestone, what I find out that Daniel's at that hospital, and then we get phone calls that then it was confirmed that both Suzanne and Ashley had already died, and then we're praying fervently for Michael because he was coherent and alert when they put him on the ambulance.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, but he had a brain bleed, I think.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, yeah. And same so because I so then the you know, it's like we're praying, we're praying, we're praying. Daniel had passed. I don't know, when he was he had already passed by the time we got to that hospital. It was really, really surreal. That whole experience being in that hospital, walked by a room and he had this massive afro. It was just so his personality was just bigger than life, and his afro was just as big. And uh, and it was crazy walking by again, there's like nobody around. And I'm trying to call his parents, they're home line. And and I happened to have Patty's cell phone number. I have lost my voice, and I don't know, I mean, I don't know why, but I did. I was really difficult to communicate. Finally, I call. I mean, it's the wee hours of the morning, and Patty answers the phone and she's like, Ann. And I'm I'm like, I was looking, I just wanted to get on the phone. I was looking around to see if anyone else was around. Yeah, just like pass it on. Like I wasn't gonna communicate anything to her, but no one was around, and she just kept saying my name. She knew something was all. I mean, obviously, you don't call, I don't call Patty at one in the morning. Um, and and I just told her, like, Daniel, Daniel passed away, and I will never forget her repeating my name over and over again. And they were in a hotel room in Asheville because they were coming to see Daniel that next the next day. Um, and so then it was kind of like, well, what do we do now? I mean, we're here. Daniel has passed away, there's no need for us to stay at this hospital. So then I remember we were, that's when we got the word about Michael Mayor's still trying to pray for him on the way. Then we got the word that he had actually passed away. And I remember going to the Grimes' house and um getting a couple of hours of sleep, or trying to at least just kind of just wrecked. You're like, what in the world just happened? And then getting up that morning and then driving back to camp. It was so somber, like that Sunday, you know, like you have people who didn't go to the game who were there, getting mess, you know, information related to them to the best of their ability, just praying, waiting, holding your breath. Then you got this caravan of people who just had their own like front experiences with these people, with finding out the information, us reuniting at camp on Sunday. I mean, it was it was probably one of the most intense experiences, emotional, spiritual, physical experiences to have the two entities come together and sit with each other. And I remember just the community of other youth pastors and ministries coming in to like fill in because we're like shell-shocked. We've been just mowed over with grief and shock, but yet campers were coming the next day for their week of camp to be, you know, to encounter the Lord, and you've got a staff that's just devastated, you know. And then I remember, and then just feeling um seeing the outreach of the community of believers because then later that week, I believe it was later that week, like Thursday or whatever is when they, or maybe it was the following week. I'm not sure of the timing of when they had the funerals. And then having the ability for those who needed to go to the different funerals, like it not being a problem, just being like, the students will be taken care of. This space for you as people who have bonded with these people to go and be a presence for these grieving families. Um and then Nate was over in Slovakia at when his brother died. And I remember going to his parents' house and seeing him for the first time, um, and just like the shock of all of it, but just being in their home and just being like a strong presence of like your brother was loved, and this ministry is here for you. And this again, that reuniting of grieving entities coming together and be like, we're a unified front with this, and there is hope in Christ, but this grief is so real and tangible, and we've got to do something with it and share that burden with each other. It was, and then the summer, that summer of 07 was the most beautiful. I it's the most bittersweet summer of my life because we were bonded over that, the losses. Um, there's a deeper appreciation for the, you know, for the family of Christ, for the word of God. I remember clearly, it's the first time it was like, we need to be really angry at sin. Sin is what causes death, you know, and just this all the what-ifs kind of just being snuffed out where it's like, God is sovereign, our days are numbered, we need to be angry at sin, because sin is what causes death. And then this deep love for each other, this unif this unified front to be present with each other, for each other, in the word, the sweetest, sweetest summer. We bonded. Everyone loved each other in a in a different way. Because you walk through something that tragic and shocking, you like you said, you're forever changed. You grow up in a different way. I think a real fruitful, benefit, beneficial way. Yeah, it wasn't, I mean, I mean, still, I was telling you, being in the coop. I mean, my one of my most vivid memories of watching, I mean, it's a picture I have is Daniel standing. If you're looking at the stage, he's to the right, halfway down the coop, and he's singing, he's I mean, he's worshiping his I see his big fro, his hand raised, and he's like singing the song, Oh, praise the one who paid my debt and raised this life up from the dead. I see it and I feel it because I'm like, he is in the presence of the Lord. He was singing then what he is experiencing now. He has been raised from the dead, and he's praising the one who paid his debts. Like it wasn't just like this feel-good thing. This is real life. Like, heaven is real. After Nate died, I talked to Patty in her house the day of his funeral. And Patty at two o'clock in the morning, she's like, Heaven's real, Anne. And when you walk through that type of loss and you see the testimony of the people who have passed and like the fruit of their lives, you can say, Yeah, heaven is real. It's not to feel better. It's the only hope we have is that Christ, Christ is real, heaven is real. Yeah. And to walk through these losses and to see that, not just because it feels good, it sounds good, but it's real. You're changed by that. I mean, it's yeah, you can't shake it.
SPEAKER_01:Last night you're you came to church and we meet in the red red oak meets in the coop. Was that pretty emotional?
SPEAKER_02:It was emotional.
SPEAKER_01:I couldn't see you when I was like, I mean, I wouldn't have been looking anyway, but um It was emotional. I'm just thinking about that.
SPEAKER_02:I haven't been worshiping yes, I haven't been in the coop, and then definitely not in the worship setting. I mean, it's been it's been a while. And I mean, just as soon as as soon as worship started, the lights were down, hearing Zach lead worship. I mean, a flood happened. I mean, because I think about that. I mean, the number of summer sessions in there, hot summer sessions. I mean, the room filled. Again, Zach leading worship. You just hear it, and then thinking through like I met my dad on that, on that porch, seeing Daniel's memory. I mean, countless fun and crazy and you know, moments in there. My mom's memorial service was held in there, which I mean I hold with such high regard. I mean, my family, my biological family did not have any anything. They didn't do anything to honor my mom's life. But then to have Brittany Reagan and Steph Gatton and the staff just rally around to get stuff set up so that I could my mom's memory could be honored, have a memorial service there. That is, I mean, invaluable. You know, like I've seen my friends get married in that coop. I've had some really heartbreaking conversations in the coop. It was, it was intense, it was really sweet. I'm like, God has been so good and so faithful to me. And I'm I'm standing here. Oh, then to sing that song in Christ Alone.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, that was crazy.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, I was like, it's true, like in Christ Alone.
SPEAKER_01:That became our anthem in 07. That was the song. Yes, wow, we sung it in that building, in the memorial. We held an internal memorial service, and we sang that song. And last night I thought about that because we don't sing that song that often. Yeah, it was kind of a throwback moment that Zach brought that in last night. I thought about that. Yeah, and I remember I preached or teached, or however you'd say your mom's memorial service.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:And I remember feeling the weight of some family members that were there that weren't believers.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, my sister and her girlfriend were there. Yeah. Pretty walked out at one point.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah. And you and you, when we talked through, I remember talking through with you how I was gonna approach it because we weren't sure of your mother's spiritual condition. And it was like, I don't remember the exact words, but it was like, don't preach her into heaven. You can't preach into heaven. Yeah, just be share. And I remember I can still to this day, uh, when somebody asks me, hey, how like somebody will call, it could be a youth pastor or a young pastor and say, Hey, I've got to do this funeral or a memorial service for someone that I don't know the condition of their salvation, and I'll say, because your mom was that was the second time I ever did a memorial service for somebody I wasn't sure if they knew the Lord. Um and you don't want to preach them into heaven, and I'll walk them through how I approached that. But I remember the way I did it, and this is what I always tell people is I I I stood up and I and I said, Um, if Ann's mom was here, here's what she'd want you to know.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:I shared the gospel.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:This is what she'd want you to know.
unknown:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:And and that that really impacted your sister in a very uncomfortable way. You know, remember it was an intense experience.
SPEAKER_02:It was.
SPEAKER_01:It's an intense experience.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. I mean, surreal. I mean, yeah, I'm just like, whoa, so many things happened.
SPEAKER_01:Sitting there last night.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, I thought about that. I prayed for you.
SPEAKER_02:Thanks.
SPEAKER_01:Let's take a break. Okay.
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